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About Anand Ranganathan

Anand Ranganathan is a scientist, author, and political analyst based in New Delhi[3]. He frequently appears on television debates, discussing topics such as politics, media, and science[1]. He is a professor at Jawaharlal Nehru University, where his laboratory has invented codon-shuffling, a novel method for the directed evolution of proteins[2]. Anand Ranganathan has also been featured in several YouTube videos, including one where he criticizes PM Modi's work[4], and another where he discusses the truth about JNU[5]. In a recent interview on The Ranveer Show, he was described as "brutal, neutral, and honest"[6].



The key idea of the video is that Ambedkar, not Gandhi, should be considered the true Father of the Nation due to his fight against social hierarchies and his contributions to shaping India’s constitution.

Key Insights

Ambedkar’s criticism of societal ills

🤔 If we were to think deeper about the concept of calling someone a father in a non-biological context, nations need purity of the mind more than that of the heart, suggesting that the title of “Father of the Nation” should belong to BR Ambedkar rather than Mahatma Gandhi.

💡 India was engulfed in the darkness of untouchability, a social evil that no light could penetrate, highlighting the deep-rooted inequality and discrimination prevalent in society.

😔 Ambedkar’s experience as an untouchable child highlights the deep-rooted discrimination and repulsion faced by the lower castes in Indian society.

🚰 Ambedkar’s experience of being denied access to water due to his caste identity highlights the deep-rooted discrimination and indignities faced by untouchables in society.

💔 The harrowing account of a black man in America before Rosa Parks and Dr Martin Luther King reminds us of the deep-rooted racism and brutality faced by marginalized communities.

🤔 “To be neutral is to take sides.” - Ambedkar’s perspective challenges the notion of neutrality and highlights the importance of taking a stand against injustice.

🤔 Ambedkar criticizes Hinduism, stating that the caste system is a degenerate form of the ideal Hindu society, and believes that Hinduism is the greatest obstacle to Hindu unity.

🤔 Ambedkar challenges Gandhi’s support for the caste system, stating that “Nothing can emancipate the outcaste except the destruction of the caste system.”

📚 Ambedkar’s book, “What Congress and Gandhi have done to the Untouchables,” serves as a powerful exposé of Gandhi’s political timeline and the detrimental impact of Gandhism on the Dalit cause.

Ambedkar’s fight for social change

🧒 The idea that “child is the father of Man” emphasizes the importance of understanding Ambedkar’s childhood and upbringing in shaping his beliefs and contributions.

😔 Ambedkar’s experience of being treated as a human in Europe and America made him realize the harsh reality of being an untouchable in India upon his return.

💡 Ambedkar’s fight for his rights, drafting the Constitution, and saving India from barbarism shows that individual actions can make a significant impact on society.

🌍 Ambedkar is the father of our nation because he fearlessly demanded catharsis, highlighting his courage and determination to bring about social change.

💡 The speaker argues that Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar should be recognized as the true father of the nation due to his passion for reform and his rejection of societal ills, contrasting with Mahatma Gandhi’s flaws and biases.

Ambedkar’s vast knowledge and expertise

🌍 “Whether we are right or wrong, whether we are white or black, whether our ancestors were brilliant or not, whether our culture is ancient or not; whether our religions are better or not. Nothing matters.”

🖋️ Ambedkar’s vast knowledge and expertise in various fields, including Islam, Communism, Hinduism, History, Theology, Science, Economics, Politics, Society, Literature, Law, Foreign Policy, Education, and Journalism, is both impressive and intimidating.

🗣️ The fearlessness of Ambedkar: he criticised everyone and everything logically, without being polemical.

🌟 Ambedkar, a man like no other in modern world history, shone with his intellect and understanding, making him a hero for all, out of genuine admiration and fear.

Long Summary

  1. 00:00 🔍 The speaker discusses the subjective nature of his topic and urges the audience to have faith in his perspective, emphasizing the insignificance of individual lives and the importance of contributing to society’s growth and wellbeing.1.1 The speaker acknowledges that his subject is not science and therefore his conclusions may be questioned and rejected, unlike in science where indisputable evidence is provided.1.2 The speaker urges the audience to have faith in him and listen to his perspective, emphasizing that in the end, nothing really matters.1.3 The speaker emphasizes the relative insignificance of individual lives and urges the audience to not attach importance to themselves or others.1.4 The speaker acknowledges that the subject is contentious and provocative, but assures the audience that they can freely express their opinions, while also recognizing that the topic is subjective and open to interpretation and debate.1.5 Believers in the grey, who forgive individuals for their terrible actions because of the good they have done, are purveyors of hypocrisy.1.6 Believing in the grey leads to a static existence, so it is better to believe in the black and white and find inspiration from either religion or man to contribute to society’s growth and wellbeing.
  2. 07:23 📚 Ambedkar, not Gandhi, should be considered the Father of the Nation because he embodies purity of mind and challenges conventional wisdom, while facing the destructive nature of social hierarchies, similar to James Chadwick’s recognition of the power of science and scripture in a class-divided Britain.2.1 BR Ambedkar, not Mahatma Gandhi, should be considered the Father of the Nation because nations need purity of the mind and catharsis, and Ambedkar embodies these qualities more than Gandhi.2.2 Ambedkar’s vast knowledge and authority on various subjects instills fear in people, as he challenges the idea of being fallible and defies conventional wisdom.2.3 Ambedkar is considered the real father of the nation due to his understanding of the destructive nature of social hierarchies, as seen in his upbringing in a caste-prejudiced India, while James Chadwick, born in a class-divided Britain, also recognized the power of science and scripture to shape and potentially destroy the world.2.4 Class and caste were barriers to progress in 1891, a time of intellectual upheaval with the rise of communism, imperialism, and the threat of the Theory of Evolution to religious beliefs.2.5 India was in darkness due to untouchability, while Britain, the nucleus of the modern world, suffered from poverty, unemployment, and low wages.2.6 Ambedkar and Chadwick, both facing hardships in their respective countries, embarked on journeys that would change the world, with Ambedkar breaking barriers as the first untouchable to achieve various milestones and Chadwick studying under influential mentors in Germany and America.
  3. 16:18 👨‍👧‍👦 Ambedkar faced discrimination and distress due to his untouchable status, experiencing rejection, sadness, and challenges in finding accommodation, education, and basic necessities.3.1 Ambedkar’s return to India after studying abroad was filled with distress as he faced the challenge of finding accommodation due to his untouchable status.3.2 Ambedkar faced discrimination in India and chose to return despite having influential friends in America, while Chadwick made significant discoveries in atomic physics.3.3 The rejection of one man by another is the most bloodthirsty blight, as described by Ambedkar, who recounts his journey to Koregaon where souls have turned to stone.3.4 Ambedkar and his siblings, who were untouchables, experienced discrimination and repulsion from a stationmaster when they revealed their caste, leading to a feeling of extreme sadness.3.5 The speaker recounts a story of facing discrimination while trying to hire a bullock-cart, but eventually finding a solution by offering to drive the cart themselves, and later facing the challenge of sleeping without food or water due to being untouchables.3.6 Ambedkar, an untouchable, faced discrimination in school where he was not allowed to sit with his classmates, had to use a separate piece of cloth, and needed a peon’s permission to drink water from the tap.
  4. 26:48 🔑 Ambedkar, the true father of the nation, fought for his rights and drafted the Constitution using powerful words and actions, contrasting with Chadwick’s neutrality, and demanded catharsis through scientific logic, highlighting the need for India and other colonial powers to confront their history of subjugation.4.1 The narrator describes a harrowing account of a black man being forced to fight another black man while blindfolded, with the white audience cheering for violence and bloodshed.4.2 Ambedkar’s powerful words and actions in fighting for his rights and drafting the Constitution were the answer to the question of human progress and the point of science and culture, contrasting with Chadwick’s retreat and neutrality despite his significant scientific achievements.4.3 Ambedkar’s greatness and his role in modern India are often overlooked, but despite being denied love and a human touch, he chose to stay in a cruel land that gave him nothing.4.4 Ambedkar, unlike Gandhi, touched the mind and not the soul, demanding catharsis with the fortitude of scientific logic, making him the true father of the nation.4.5 When a nation’s crimes accumulate, they will eventually come to light and bring about a necessary catharsis, similar to Germany’s experience after World War II.4.6 Germany experienced a moment of catharsis after World War II when they faced the horrors of the concentration camps, but India and other colonial powers have yet to confront their own history of subjugation and destruction.
  5. 35:35 📚 The solution to addressing crimes against Dalits and promoting social change lies in including Ambedkar’s books in school syllabus, having monthly lectures by Dalits, incentivizing habitat swaps and inter-caste marriages, and fostering a sense of one community, while also recognizing the need for cultural catharsis and learning from Ambedkar’s fearlessness and logical criticism.5.1 Crimes against Dalits have been treated as isolated incidents instead of being recognized as a collective wave, and it is crucial for the nation to confront this wave in order to bring about change and define the future.5.2 The solution to fighting for rights that already exist is to include Dr BR Ambedkar’s books in school syllabus, have monthly lectures by Dalits, incentivize habitat swaps and inter-caste marriages, and promote a sense of one community.5.3 India’s solution to its moral conundrum lies in cultural catharsis, as science can explain the abrupt stopping of gene mixing 2,000 years ago but cannot guide us towards catharsis.5.4 Ambedkar’s fearlessness and logical criticism of everyone and everything is something that we should learn from, as waiting for a messiah and refusing to form a collective conscience risks weakening our strength as a diverse nation.5.5 Ambedkar criticizes Hinduism for its caste system, lack of social unity, and inability to absorb or remove the practice of Untouchability.5.6 The speaker discusses why the Communist Party condemns the Constitution and states that he does not believe in Communism, as it goes against his principles and he considers himself an enemy of the Communists.
  6. 47:43 📜 Ambedkar, a revered and controversial figure, believed in the importance of people’s participation in shaping the state, advocated for industrialization, and criticized both Hinduism and Islam for their social and religious flaws.6.1 Indian journalism has lost its moral function and has become a trade focused on hero-worship, while Ambedkar believed that the social organization of the state should not be dictated by the Constitution, but rather decided by the people themselves.6.2 Ambedkar believed that industrialization was the solution to India’s agricultural problems and advocated for state management and ownership of industries, while also criticizing historians for ignoring his writings on Islam.6.3 Ambedkar, a man like no other in modern world history, is both admired and feared by the Left and the Right for his intellect and understanding, with his writings and quotes being timeless and applicable to contemporary India.6.4 Ambedkar’s thoughts on Islam, as revealed in his writings and speeches, highlight its divisive nature and incompatibility with local self-government, challenging the perception of Islam as a unifying force.6.5 Ambedkar criticizes Islam for not allowing true Muslims to adopt India as their motherland and for its social and religious ills, highlighting the hypocrisy of selectively blaming Hinduism for intolerance.6.6 Ambedkar believed that the Muslim society in India is afflicted by the same social evils as Hindu society, viewed Islam as no better than Hinduism, criticized Muslim politics for its focus on religion and lack of interest in secular categories of life, and his views on Islam are stand-alone statements supported by quotes and teachings.
  7. 01:07:21 📜 Ambedkar argued that Islam’s system of social self-government and religious beliefs hindered the spirit of change in the Muslim community, leading to their political stagnation and reluctance to join forces with Hindus in fighting against injustices.7.1 Islam’s brotherhood is limited to Muslims only, and the religion’s system of social self-government is incompatible with local self-government.7.2 Ambedkar believed that Islam does not allow a true Muslim to consider India as their motherland or Hindus as their kin, as per the tenets of the religion.7.3 When a non-Muslim power takes control of a land, it is no longer considered the land of Muslims, and according to Muslim Canon Law, it is the duty of a Muslim ruler to extend the rule of Islam until the whole world is under its sway, which can be achieved through Hijrat or Jihad.7.4 Ambedkar argues that Muslims’ unwillingness to obey a Hindu government is rooted in religious beliefs and the perception of Hindus as inferior, which hinders the spirit of change in the Muslim community.7.5 Indian Muslims, due to their fear of being assimilated by the Hindu majority, prioritize preserving their Islamic identity over social and political reform, leading to their backwardness and political stagnation.7.6 Muslims in India are hesitant to join forces with Hindus in fighting against social and economic injustices due to the fear of harming their own Muslim community, and their opposition to representative governments in Muslim states is based on how it would affect their power struggle with Hindus rather than a desire for democracy.
  8. 01:20:15 🔍 Ambedkar, the true liberal, criticized Gandhi’s flaws and dismantled his sainthood, highlighting their philosophical struggle over untouchability and the caste system, ultimately making Ambedkar the real father of the nation.8.1 Ambedkar, the true liberal, had a profound understanding of Gandhi’s flaws and criticized the Congress for its insincerity in addressing the issue of untouchability.8.2 Ambedkar dismantled Gandhi’s sainthood through logical reasoning, criticizing his support for the Khilafat Movement and his rationalization of the Moplah rebellion, while Gandhi blamed the Hindus and the government for the violence.8.3 Gandhi’s selective approach to Hindu-Muslim unity and his disregard for the atrocities committed by Muslims during the Moplah Massacre led to Ambedkar’s condemnation of him and the dismantling of Gandhi’s sainthood.8.4 Ambedkar’s views on untouchability and the caste system, as opposed to Gandhi’s support for the caste system and varna system, highlight the philosophical and existential struggle between them, with Ambedkar advocating for the destruction of the caste system and Gandhi defending it.8.5 Ambedkar meticulously dismantled Gandhi’s arguments and exposed his hypocrisy, preparing for a future where Gandhi would be revered as a deity, and his book “What Congress and Gandhi have done to the Untouchables” serves as a powerful critique of Gandhi’s credibility and principles.8.6 The speaker argues that the real father of the nation is Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar, as he represents the need for reform and the rejection of societal ills, rather than the traditional figure of Mahatma Gandhi.


Q1: What were the main aims of Ambedkar’s work and why is he considered the true Father of the Nation?

A1: Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar, often hailed as the true Father of the Nation, had several main aims in his work. He fought tirelessly for the rights of untouchables and for the eradication of caste-based discrimination in Indian society. Ambedkar drafted the Constitution of India and played a crucial role in shaping the democratic principles and values of the nation. He believed in the power of education and awareness to uplift marginalized communities and advocated for social and economic equality. Ambedkar’s contributions go beyond addressing social injustice; he also emphasized the need for industrialization, land reforms, and state ownership of industries to address agricultural problems and ensure the welfare of the people. His ideas and actions continue to inspire generations and have had a lasting impact on India’s social and political landscape.

Q2: What were the key conflicts between Gandhi and Ambedkar regarding their views on social and religious issues?

A2: Gandhi and Ambedkar had several conflicts and disagreements over various social and religious issues. One of the main points of contention was Gandhi’s defense and upholding of the varna system, which Ambedkar vehemently opposed. Ambedkar believed that one’s occupation should not be predetermined by birth, while Gandhi argued for a distinction between varna and caste, despite both being hereditary cohorts. They also clashed over the problem of untouchability, with Ambedkar doubting the sincerity of the Congress in addressing the issue and suggesting conditions for membership. Additionally, they disagreed on religious freedom and censorship, with Ambedkar defending the publisher of a pamphlet while Gandhi objected to its content. Ambedkar’s book, titled ‘What Congress and Gandhi have done to the Untouchables,’ exposed Gandhi’s fraud and lack of credibility, further widening the divide between them.

A3: Ambedkar was a fierce critic of the caste system and the varna system. He challenged the prevailing beliefs and practices by advocating for equality and social justice. Ambedkar believed that one’s social status and occupation should be based on merit and ability, rather than being predetermined by birth. He argued against the hereditary nature of caste and the vertical division of society, emphasizing that everyone should have equal opportunities, regardless of their caste or social background. Ambedkar’s arguments and activism went against the traditional norms and beliefs, which often led to conflicts with religious and social leaders. His critique of the varna system and his demand for social reform continue to shape discussions on caste and social discrimination in India.

Q4: How did Ambedkar’s views on Islam differ from those of Gandhi?

A4: Ambedkar’s views on Islam and Muslims differed significantly from those of Gandhi. Ambedkar believed that Islam both divides and binds people, creating a distinction between Muslims and non-Muslims. He argued that Islam’s system of social self-government is incompatible with local self-government, preventing Muslims from fully embracing the nation as their motherland. He criticized Islam for its exclusionary and incompatible nature with social and local self-government. On the other hand, Gandhi advocated for Hindu-Muslim unity and defended the principle of religious freedom for all. He rationalized incidents of violence by certain Muslim groups and urged Hindus to remain firm and not accuse Muslims. These differing views on Islam and religious coexistence led to further disagreements and conflicts between Ambedkar and Gandhi.


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